Charging for Photo's?

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#16 Sufida on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=figment1986;4827880]Honestly, I had a friend figure out how much time and money im worth... and it's funny cause even armature, I spend a lot more time editing a photo than people realize at times (well i used to) and could easily charge $50 for a shoot for the originals. per shoot. makes me wonder would anyone ever pay me for my photos...[/QUOTE]

Value is a combination of the market, the audiences perspective and your own. In terms of money.. if you are a "$50" photographer for senior portraits that may translate differently for convention/cosplay portraits.

I don't think that would work out for you

#17 figment1986 on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=Sufida;4828013]Value is a combination of the market, the audiences perspective and your own. In terms of money.. if you are a "$50" photographer for senior portraits that may translate differently for convention/cosplay portraits.

I don't think that would work out for you[/QUOTE]

I had to do a lot of touch ups on a lot of photos for this one person... I might have spent 2 hours just covering up problems. Even fixing her teeth. and there was like 10 photos that were salvageable from the one shoot alone... and these were impromptu shoots too.

#18 firecloak on 5 years ago

You can definitely charge, but unless your work is really good, don't expect much business from the experienced cosplayers who have probably already arranged a photoshoot with a better photographer for free.

Even seeing $10 as a fee (or any for that matter) can be a turn-off for cosplayers who have already spent lots of money on the costume. The cosplayers that are used to doing photoshoots will probably already have developed relationships with good, even free photographers in the area, and they will never come to you if you charge without offering something new and exceptional.

It would be easier to start off with free shoots if you are new to cosplay photography. Build a portfolio that you can show off when you do charge (show this is the quality that the customer will receive).

#19 Ashurachan on 5 years ago

One thing about free shoots, is that you don't have as much pressure to deliver your photos quickly.
If you're getting paid, photos are expected on a timely fashion, but if it's just something you do as a hobby you can process _when you have the time_.
I've never felt obligated to process shoots quickly, and my processing speed heavily depends on my mood. It can be done in a week, if I feel like it and the shoot is simple enough to process, but I've already taken a year to process a shoot because I didn't like the photos (stalling the next shoots I did in he process, since I try to process my shoots in order).
I've had a cosplayer more or less harass me for a month until I processed her shoot, and it's not a very good memory (even if the harassing was not mean, more like messaging me everyday "are you done yet ?"). I could have done better on her shoot if she'd let me take my time for it I think :/

#20 ichigo_m. on 5 years ago

As a cosplayer, I like to pay my photographers and I feel bad if they don't charge. Sure I've spent $100s on my costumes but without good photographers I would just be a crazy girl with weird colored hair and no money.
I believe that photographers put just as much effort into their photos as I put into my costume and so I always like to pay my photographers. Sure I do like to keep it under $40 for a solo shoot but I still think some form of payment is necessary. (Also, to me it makes the photographer seem more dedicated and professional and makes me expect better photos)

#21 brucer007 on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=ichigo_m.;4829345]As a cosplayer, I like to pay my photographers and I feel bad if they don't charge. Sure I've spent $100s on my costumes but without good photographers I would just be a crazy girl with weird colored hair and no money.
I believe that photographers put just as much effort into their photos as I put into my costume and so I always like to pay my photographers. Sure I do like to keep it under $40 for a solo shoot but I still think some form of payment is necessary. (Also, to me it makes the photographer seem more dedicated and professional and makes me expect better photos)[/QUOTE]

It's nice that you appreciate the time photographers put into their craft. It seems you pay photographers partially based on guilt. Paying them might make you feel like you will get better photos, but that is not necessarily true. Some photographers don't spend nearly as much time as you might, when you make your costumes.

I have read the photography threads here, that showed many photographers just do slight alterations in post to brightness and colors. Some of us do spend hours or days on one image, but that seems to be in the minority.

I hope you make your decision mostly based on the quality you have seen of the photographers you choose.

#22 ichigo_m. on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=brucer007;4829640]It's nice that you appreciate the time photographers put into their craft. It seems you pay photographers partially based on guilt. Paying them might make you feel like you will get better photos, but that is not necessarily true. Some photographers don't spend nearly as much time as you might, when you make your costumes.

I have read the photography threads here, that showed many photographers just do slight alterations in post to brightness and colors. Some of us do spend hours or days on one image, but that seems to be in the minority.

I hope you make your decision mostly based on the quality you have seen of the photographers you choose.[/QUOTE]

No it's not out of guilt. It's out of respect for their craft. I wouldn't expect someone to take their time taking photos of me without pay just like I wouldn't expect someone to cook me good without pay or how I wouldn't make a costume for someone without pay. It's in no way out of guilt.
And yes I spend hours and hours looking for my photographers to ensure I get the photo I want and I pay based on experience and quality. So maybe that's why I always pay. But I do believe even beginners should get some compensation for their time and effort.

#23 SolarTempest on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=brucer007;4829640]It's nice that you appreciate the time photographers put into their craft. It seems you pay photographers partially based on guilt. Paying them might make you feel like you will get better photos, but that is not necessarily true. Some photographers don't spend nearly as much time as you might, when you make your costumes.[/QUOTE]
Some might not, but I'm definitely spending a lot more time and effort for paid photoshoots, not only on post but also when I'm shooting.

I'm happy taking a hall shot or two for people at conventions if I see something nice, but there is no competition in quality between my hall galleries and my actual photoshoots. Things like suitable settings, lack of background distractions, taking care lighting an image.

[QUOTE=ichigo_m.;4829796]I wouldn't expect someone to take their time taking photos of me without pay just like I wouldn't expect someone to cook me good without pay or how I wouldn't make a costume for someone without pay.[/QUOTE]
I rather like this attitude of compensation and approach to good work. :bigtu:

#24 FootNote on 5 years ago

Wow. This is the most adult thread on the subject I have seen. Good job everyone.

#25 Ashurachan on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=ichigo_m.;4829796]No it's not out of guilt. It's out of respect for their craft. I wouldn't expect someone to take their time taking photos of me without pay just like I wouldn't expect someone to cook me good without pay or how I wouldn't make a costume for someone without pay. It's in no way out of guilt.[/QUOTE]

But for some of us it's just a hobby, we take photos to enjoy ourselves just like you do costumes to enjoy yourself. I do cosplay photography because I like cosplay and bringing characters to life with my skill combined with the cosplayers', and I don't need to get paid to do my best.
Sometimes you'll mostly make a costume because it is a challenge, right ? Well, sometimes a photographer does photoshoots to challenge himself too. Because challenging yourself, going outside of your comfort zone, is how you learn new things, and just get better at your craft.

#26 ichigo_m. on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=Ashurachan;4830747]But for some of us it's just a hobby, we take photos to enjoy ourselves just like you do costumes to enjoy yourself. I do cosplay photography because I like cosplay and bringing characters to life with my skill combined with the cosplayers', and I don't need to get paid to do my best.
Sometimes you'll mostly make a costume because it is a challenge, right ? Well, sometimes a photographer does photoshoots to challenge himself too. Because challenging yourself, going outside of your comfort zone, is how you learn new things, and just get better at your craft.[/QUOTE]

That's very true and that's why I haven't paid /All/ of my photographers. But I always offer either money or coffee.

#27 TykeJack on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=FootNote;4830730]Wow. This is the most adult thread on the subject I have seen. Good job everyone.[/QUOTE]

That's probably because most of the "less mature" ones no longer frequent these forums. We've had this conversation a couple of times over the years and you frequently hear "Photographers should never charge and would be nothing without cosplayers and all of your images are belong to me because i'm in them." I wish that was an exaggeration, but it's not.

#28 FootNote on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=TykeJack;4831137]That's probably because most of the "less mature" ones no longer frequent these forums. We've had this conversation a couple of times over the years and you frequently hear "Photographers should never charge and would be nothing without cosplayers and all of your images are belong to me because i'm in them." I wish that was an exaggeration, but it's not.[/QUOTE]

Trust me, I have been on modelmayhem.com for a long time and it is the same way there.

#29 sukotsuto on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=ichigo_m.;4830838]coffee.[/QUOTE]

I was thrilled when a cosplayer gave me a Starbucks gift card for taking photos of them. :)

#30 figment1986 on 5 years ago

[QUOTE=TykeJack;4831137]That's probably because most of the "less mature" ones no longer frequent these forums. We've had this conversation a couple of times over the years and you frequently hear "Photographers should never charge and would be nothing without cosplayers and all of your images are belong to me because i'm in them." I wish that was an exaggeration, but it's not.[/QUOTE]

I know this far well right now. Wish everyone knew the laws and otherwise would leave us alone if they were going to troll us.

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