Very strange question involving paint and an umbrella

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#1 A14jojo on 8 years ago

Hey guys and gals,

Couldn't find anything related in the forums so I am going to go ahead and ask.

I have an umbrella that I have painted a while back. [url]http://nogojo.deviantart.com/gallery/?catpath=scraps#/d4bmuaq[/url]

Here is the after effect:
[url]http://nogojo.deviantart.com/art/Umbrella-after-effect-272670314[/url]

Thing is, now that it has paint (acrylic) on it (inside and out), it is stiff and creases like crazy if you close it with the strap. I don't want to have to keep the umbrella open all the time, so I am wondering if anyone knows if this can be remedied in anyway, even a little? Or how to get the creases out?


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Does anyone have paint recommendations to paint over a whole Nylon umbrella? Something that is tried and true and won't show the color underneath it.

Possible suggestions have been shoe spray paint and floral paint, but there was never any elaboration on how that turned out.

I would really like some input if I am going to plunk the money down for another umbrella and new materials.

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#2 QueenPegasus on 8 years ago

From experiance with other things arcylic paint isn't fexlible, it will crack and stiff if painted over things, I don't know if you can salavage it at all as it's the paint chemical compands that makes it stiff and crack if that makes sense?

#3 A14jojo on 8 years ago

[QUOTE=QueenPegasus;4212915]From experiance with other things arcylic paint isn't fexlible, it will crack and stiff if painted over things, I don't know if you can salavage it at all as it's the paint chemical compands that makes it stiff and crack if that makes sense?[/QUOTE]


I understand what you mean QueenPegasus, but I have read other people using acrylic to paint umbrellas, so I am hoping to get some feedback from those individuals.

At this point, I would not say it's not salvageable, but I am looking into what else I could have used besides acrylics. I have read floral paint and shoe paints as suggestions, but no one who has actually used them.

#4 Tatsu-chan on 8 years ago

for things like umbrellas I would use a paint that is designed to be flexible. Paints like fabric paints are designed this way. Acrylic as has been said before is not flexible. I have worked with it in other places where flexibility was needed and it was quite frankly a bad idea.

#5 A14jojo on 8 years ago

[QUOTE=Tatsu-chan;4213693]for things like umbrellas I would use a paint that is designed to be flexible. Paints like fabric paints are designed this way. Acrylic as has been said before is not flexible. I have worked with it in other places where flexibility was needed and it was quite frankly a bad idea.[/QUOTE]

I did try fabric paint, but the color came out looking ashy even though the label says black. I was unhappy, and went back to the store to see if I could find another shade but I didn't. So went over the test area with the acrylic and got the shade I wanted. If I attempt this again, I am going to have to look else where for fabric paint. Would you happen to have a suggestion for a brand?

However, right now I would like to try to find a solution to save this umbrella as best as I can.

#6 WARPAINTandUnicorns on 8 years ago

Acrylic paint works in small areas not the whole area like that is liquid latex. That being said you can't fold it either medium to a crisp fold without adding a seem.

#7 GCNgamer128 on 8 years ago

Take it into the shower and turn the water on as hot as you can, the water based paint will react to the hot water and stretch and crack, and it could remove some of it should you choose to do that route.

Or buy a new umbrella, a white one, and mist it with the colours you need; don't make the paint think and don't make a full layer of paint.

#8 A14jojo on 8 years ago

[QUOTE=Ani_BEE;4214336]Acrylic paint works in small areas not the whole area like that is liquid latex. That being said you can't fold it either medium to a crisp fold without adding a seem.[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE=GCNgamer128;4214809]Take it into the shower and turn the water on as hot as you can, the water based paint will react to the hot water and stretch and crack, and it could remove some of it should you choose to do that route.

Or buy a new umbrella, a white one, and mist it with the colours you need; don't make the paint think and don't make a full layer of paint.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying I should just remove?

Okay, well if I did that or if I went ahead painted another umbrella, what kind of paint would recommend for the job?

#9 WARPAINTandUnicorns on 8 years ago

As I said latex is you best bet just don't fold it to tightly as all paint will crease the finish.

#10 A14jojo on 8 years ago

[QUOTE=Ani_BEE;4214992]As I said latex is you best bet just don't fold it to tightly as all paint will crease the finish.[/QUOTE]

Ah, well I have never seen latex in my local stores, so if it's something I have to purchase online I am out of luck.
As for the closing, it sounds like it would have the same issue I am currently having with the umbrella. So long as I don't close it with the strap and let it just be half closed, it won't crease. :/

#11 Ragtime Mouth on 8 years ago

[URL="http://www.duplicolor.com/products/vinylFabricCoating/"]Vinyl and fabric paint[/URL], it's meant for car seats mostly.. it won't crack. I even used it on the bottom of a shoe and it hardly wore off after hours of walking. I would not use any other paint for this, even latex will peel and crease.. and will also be very expensive. A can of this paint is only about $5 give or take, they sell them at hardware stores, so don't go checking any hobby or craft shops.

If nothing else, you can just reskin the umbrella with different fabric for a different color. :)

#12 A14jojo on 8 years ago

[QUOTE=Ragtime Mouth;4215027][URL="http://www.duplicolor.com/products/vinylFabricCoating/"]Vinyl and fabric paint[/URL], it meant for car seats mostly.. it won't crack. I even used it on the bottom of a shoe and it hardly wore off after hours of walking. I would not use any other paint for this, even latex will peel and crease.. and will also be very expensive. A can of this paint is only about $5 give or take, they sell them at hardware stores, so don't go checking any hobby or craft shops.

If nothing else, you can just reskin the umbrella with different fabric for a different color. :)[/QUOTE]

Oh thank you Ragtime! I was hoping for input from someone who has actually tried something. Have you used it on anything else besides the bottom of shoes? XD
Trying to get a feel for how it would crease. I am guessing you can get this paint at any auto-store right? And do you think this might work as well?

And not that you would necessarily know, but do you think this [url]http://www.shoetreemarketplace.com/Meltonian_Nu_Life_Color_Spray_p/1004.htm[/url] might do the same job?

I have read about reskining an umbrella, but is something I will have to mess around with before I get it right I think. :P

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I found this at Autozone [/B][url]http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Fluids-and-Chemicals/Paint-Vinyl-and-Fabric/_/N-25h9[/url]

#13 Ragtime Mouth on 8 years ago

[QUOTE=A14jojo;4215038]Oh thank you Ragtime! I was hoping for input from someone who has actually tried something. Have you used it on anything else besides the bottom of shoes? XD
Trying to get a feel for how it would crease. I am guessing you can get this paint at any auto-store right? And do you think this might work as well?

And not that you would necessarily know, but do you think this [url]http://www.shoetreemarketplace.com/Meltonian_Nu_Life_Color_Spray_p/1004.htm[/url] might do the same job?

I have read about reskining an umbrella, but is something I will have to mess around with before I get it right I think. :P[/QUOTE]

I've used it on a number of things, leather, rubber, latex, it doesn't come off. If your umbrella is vinyl --since most are--, this paint is made for it. It might crease temporarily when closed, but opening it back up should fix that to be good as new. Since the entire thing is pretty big, you'll probably need to give it a couple coats and give it plenty of time to dry. I haven't had to use black, so it might not need more then one coat. If I can find the vinyl purse I sprayed once I'll be able to take quick pictures of how it'll look.

It should be at any auto-shop, small shops might not have them or have limited colors, but since you seem to need black it'll be pretty easy to find. What you linked will probably work as well, it's listed for vinyl, plastic, and leather, I just don't have first hand experience with the brand.

#14 A14jojo on 8 years ago

[QUOTE=Ragtime Mouth;4215043]I've used it on a number of things, leather, rubber, latex, it doesn't come off. If your umbrella is vinyl --since most are--, this paint is made for it. It might crease temporarily when closed, but opening it back up should fix that to be good as new. Since the entire thing is pretty big, you'll probably need to give it a couple coats and give it plenty of time to dry. I haven't had to use black, so it might not need more then one coat. If I can find the vinyl purse I sprayed once I'll be able to take quick pictures of how it'll look.

It should be at any auto-shop, small shops might not have them or have limited colors, but since you seem to need black it'll be pretty easy to find. What you linked will probably work as well, it's listed for vinyl, plastic, and leather, I just don't have first hand experience with the brand.[/QUOTE]

Ahh, well that is good to hear. Yeah, the nylon, so it should be fine. I am not sure if I'll find your recommended brand, but I am thinking any name brand should be fine. I'll visit my local auto-shops when I have the time to spare.

And thank you for the pictures, I truly appreciate it!!!
Perhaps I should snap a pic or two of what the umbrella looks like now compared to the first picture; to give people an idea of what is going on, since I am afraid they think it's worse than it actually is.

#15 A14jojo on 8 years ago

[QUOTE=A14jojo;4215046]Ahh, well that is good to hear. Yeah, the nylon, so it should be fine. I am not sure if I'll find your recommended brand, but I am thinking any name brand should be fine. I'll visit my local auto-shops when I have the time to spare.

And thank you for the pictures, I truly appreciate it!
Perhaps I should snap a pic or two of what the umbrella looks like now compared to the first picture; to give me people an idea od what is going on, since I am afraid they think it's worse than it actually is.[/QUOTE]
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Here is how the umbrella looks now! [/B]
[url]http://nogojo.deviantart.com/art/Umbrella-after-effect-272670314[/url]

And here is hoe it started ut:
[url]http://nogojo.deviantart.com/art/Umbrella-Progress-2-261406178?q=in:scraps sort:time gallery:nogojo&qo=2[/url]

As you can see, not as nice looking as when it started out :(, and I can't close it all the way without making it crease more. Though I did just have the idea of adjusting the Velcro on the strap so that it would not close as tightly and thus less creasing that would acquire.

Again thank you Ragtime for all your help!

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