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#31 Elemental on 9 years ago

I think the main thing to keep in mind is intent. If the photog feels they've fulfilled their intent when the finished image is posted, the idea of changing it seems to say that their intent didn't meet with the cosplayer's approval or wasn't understood. (This might simply be in documenting the costumes, or in making a specific photo-illustration.)
Whereas those who post photographs with the cosplayer's happiness first and foremost in mind don't always see such changes as an insult, but as the natural progression of the collaboration of the two. I fall into the latter category myself - while I'd be sad I missed the 'mark' so to speak in my post processing, I'd be happy that my shot was still what they were looking for and can be used as a base for their final presentation of the costume. I'd certainly accept editing (credited to the editor) in that case, instead of the cosplayer just 'moving on' to another photographer.

This is of course assuming 'reasonable' changes, which in itself is a matter of opinion. Heavy use of the liquify tool is generally frowned upon, but fixing backgrounds, tone, skin, costume malfunctions,makeup, eye colour - or changing the colour cast or contrast to better reflect the nature of the series - I won't be upset about. I still have my original, obviously, and will share that version with those who look at my work. The cosplayers I shoot are welcome to theirs as well. It's just another part of the collaboration, in my mind.

#32 winterwish on 9 years ago

regarding full/half/head shots.

I always offer 1 of each in a private gallery of each costume whenever possible.
Given it's a gallery of 8, sometimes some costumes don't get the full.
(but that's what con converage is for IMO)

in a coverage gallery, I usually put up 1 full or half depending on which pic I like.

#33 Jia Jem on 9 years ago

Thanks to everyone who responded. :) It's interesting to read all the different takes on how photographers feel about cosplayers editing photos.

...I was afraid of these two different opinions.

Maulrat, you bring up an interesting point. What is a cosplayer to do if they extremely dislike the result of a photoshoot? I've had lots of really nice pics taken of me where parts of my costume are askew, or I think I look downright hideous, but I set that aside and can appreciate the atmosphere and intention of the shot.

I personally don't give a damn if there's "unflattering" pics of me up on the web. (Because everyone is their own worst critic, and I keep a sense of humor with myself.) But I know lots of cosplayers FEAR finding bad pics of them on the web. Is there any compromising with photographers about taking down embarrassing pics? Do any photographers have horror stories about models being too picky? (You don't have to be too specific, I'm just curious!)
...sorry for all the questions. :B

[QUOTE=Elemental;3329497]This is of course assuming 'reasonable' changes, which in itself is a matter of opinion. Heavy use of the liquify tool is generally frowned upon, but fixing backgrounds, tone, skin, costume malfunctions,makeup, eye colour - or changing the colour cast or contrast to better reflect the nature of the series - I won't be upset about. I still have my original, obviously, and will share that version with those who look at my work. The cosplayers I shoot are welcome to theirs as well. It's just another part of the collaboration, in my mind.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=maulrat;3327431]Altering a photo from a photographer is sort of like spitting in their faces saying, "Your post processing work is so crappy that I need to fix it myself." It cuts deeper than one might think.[/QUOTE]

#34 CPU on 9 years ago

[QUOTE=MiddayIce;3321849]Her friend was cosplaying as well but i just didn't like the over all look of her outfit. So i didn't take her photo. But she got snappy with me and said "excuse me" so instead of being rude. I just politely took a pic of her and said. Of i must of missed you I'm sorry. How do u guys keep fron that?[/QUOTE]
LOL, I don't- procosplayer, shemales, crosplay, bad cosplay- all are equal.

#35 CPU on 9 years ago

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I think perhaps it is. They slave hard to make it work from head to toe and they want at least one shot to show the hard work. No problem doing the crops as well, but at the end of the day it's ALL about the cosplay.

#36 Jim3535 on 9 years ago

[QUOTE=CPU;3340567]I think perhaps it is. They slave hard to make it work from head to toe and they want at least one shot to show the hard work. No problem doing the crops as well, but at the end of the day it's ALL about the cosplay.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that they walk around at cons only taking close crop headshots. More likely they take 3-10 shots of a cosplayer and one happens to be a close up.

A more interesting question is, if you take 3 shots of a cosplayer (2 normal, and one close up); what do you do when the the normal shots are botched for some reason? Post the close up and hope they don't hate you, or don't post anything and hope they don't notice?

I kind of feel bad when I have to delete all the shots of a particular cosplayer for one reason or another. But I suppose that's better than posing bad shots (not that I am implying the rest of my stuff is great).

#37 Av4rice on 9 years ago

[QUOTE=Jim3535;3340737]A more interesting question is, if you take 3 shots of a cosplayer (2 normal, and one close up); what do you do when the the normal shots are botched for some reason? Post the close up and hope they don't hate you, or don't post anything and hope they don't notice? [/QUOTE]
I typically do one and one. And if one turns out bad then, well, I don't get to use it. Sometimes both are bad so I can't use either and that sucks.

Not uncommon for me to do more than two though, like if they have more than one pose or I get the feeling that one messed up or it's a really good costume that I don't want to chance. Or it's towards the end of the day and I want to eat up the rest of my memory.

#38 winterwish on 9 years ago

I guess to add...
I used to delete full body shots when I couldn't fit them..

but I now put them in "con converage" so they don't get wasted - just that they can't be associated with the private photoshoot unless it's a really good one IMO.

#39 Eurobeat King on 9 years ago

I post full-body, medium, & close-up pictures in my convention-pictures and photoshoots. Cosplayers put a lot of time & effort in their costumes, not to mention any props, accessories, and make-up, so why not give them a variety of pictures to show their work, i say. :)

If cosplayers photoshop my pictures after I post them (or if I give the pictures to them before I post mine) I let them photoshop whatever they wish since I'm not good at photoshop, so better to let them go at it with pictures of their costume(s.) I don't mind.

#40 tfcreate on 9 years ago

[QUOTE=Jia Jem;3322622]Great idea for a thread, guys. :)

What do photographers think about cosplayers re-editing photos? Cropping, changing colors, airbrushing, etc. Is it considered rude, even if it's pointed out that it's been changed?[/QUOTE]

Generally, I don't have a problem with anything short of radical alteration. I'd like to be told that it's been done.

The only thing I'm dead set against is that they be used for commercial gain. Especially when they say they want them for personal albums then use them to sell stuff. I'll definitely rage on that.
TFC

#41 ByeByeBeautiful on 9 years ago

[QUOTE=Jim3535;3340737]A more interesting question is, if you take 3 shots of a cosplayer (2 normal, and one close up); what do you do when the the normal shots are botched for some reason? Post the close up and hope they don't hate you, or don't post anything and hope they don't notice?

I kind of feel bad when I have to delete all the shots of a particular cosplayer for one reason or another. But I suppose that's better than posing bad shots (not that I am implying the rest of my stuff is great).[/QUOTE]

I know that feeling. Unfortunately I ran into this with one of my photoshoots at Ohayocon. After shooting, most of the photos came out too blurred, dark, or blown out. This was my fault, and I didn't feel comfortable releasing those. Instead I e-mailed the entire set to the cosplayers, and let them decide what to publish on their own accounts. (Turned out they're less picky than I and used a lot of shots - still, I felt better since they made the call.)

Generally I don't delete photos, but only post the ones I'm happy with.

[QUOTE]What do photographers think about cosplayers re-editing photos? Cropping, changing colors, airbrushing, etc. Is it considered rude, even if it's pointed out that it's been changed?[/QUOTE]

A photo is a collaboration between cosplayer and photographer. I think both have an equal share in the work, so both may edit as they see fit. :D

#42 SpookyElectric on 9 years ago

[b]Is there any compromising with photographers about taking down embarrassing pics?[/b]
Sometimes - particularly with lengthier photoshoots, I'll let people preview the pictures before I'm done, and filter out pictures they aren't keen on. I like this, because it saves me work picking which photos to include. Everyone wins. (However, those photos usually aren't done being tweaked - no point spending time on pictures when most of them are going to get scrapped - and it does bug me when cosplayers post the not quite yet ready pictures.)

I don't like taking down pictures once I feel I have a final set up. Almost every time I've been asked, I thought they were OK photos. It's disappointing, but whatever.

On the flip side, I think I've had at least as many (maybe more) requests for photos that I took that didn't make my initial cut than for taking down pictures. [b]How do the rest of you address requests for more (taken, but unpublished) pictures?[/b]
Sometimes I'll look back and add a couple more that didn't quite make my cut.
Sometimes they want specific shots, that I feel just didn't work. In which case if I really don't like it, no one gets to see it.
(In at least one case, I couldn't even find the picture they wanted, which means it was deleted on the camera, which I tend to only do for undoubtedly unusable pictures. (significantly and unartistically over/under exposed or misfocused, wardrobe problem, etc.))

[b]Do any photographers have horror stories about models being too picky?[/b]
Yes! More than one case of people wanting none or just one or two pictures from a shoot to be kept. Most of those times, checking with other friends of mine, they agree the additional pictures I wanted to post were [i]not[/i] unflattering or otherwise problematic.

#43 CPU on 9 years ago

I've never been asked to take a shot down, but I certainly would if asked. I've had plenty of comments about how the shots were better than the cosplayer expected (ah, so many with low self esteem).

I have lost two shots, couldn't find them for the life of me, so I felt bad but told the cosplayers in question and apologised. The most common reason I wouldn't post a shot is because it's too similar to those I've already did post.

I had one girl "pop out" of her cosplay, so I waited until she hiked her corset back up. I'd never knowing take an ecchi shot.

No Prima Donna as yet, although Jan Kurotaki (her of New Type) royally kicked my ass good and proper, but I deserved it, I failed as the photographer, so she had every right (sorry Jan).

#44 ShiiNaKotoki on 9 years ago

Thank you for opening such a thread, it's immensely helpful~~^^

Okay! I have a questions for fellow photographers!

How will you photographers react to suggestions & request that is not really your style of photographing?

For my next photoshoot, I would like to have the shots based on a poem that I've written~~^^ My character is basically a bride-to-be & the poem's theme is about marriage, so to me the combination is relevant~~

But now I am not so sure whether this will work out XXXD Since this is the first time I work with him & my idea is rather difference from his style XXXD

Thank you & have a nice day <3

#45 brucer007 on 9 years ago

[QUOTE=ShiiNaKotoki;3351384]
How will you photographers react to suggestions & request that is not really your style of photographing?



There are times when a photographer has total freedom to do his or her style, but when there are clients involved, it is our job to create the vision of our clients, even if it is different than what we normally would do.

Personally, I don't mind at all to mix ideas of cosplayers with my own. It presents an opportunity to broaden or expand my repertoire. It is fine for me to take photos of the cosplayer's ideas, even if the ideas, in my opinion, are not as good as mine, or even bad. Sometimes the ideas might work better than I thought. Also, at the very least, it makes the cosplayer feel better that I tried their style. Then, I would try to do it my way as well.

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